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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.03 16:36:00 -
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CCP Omen wrote:Hello and a happy new year! 1. Is there anything related to the Customs Office feature or PI taxes that you think is broken or terrible?
Inability to pay taxes from corporate wallet. Lots of fiddling with ISK when doing PI for a corporation. Need tickbox somewhere to use corp wallet...
Would also like the tax system to use a moving average of some sort for tax calculations. While the quick hack fix of using fixed market-related values for tax calculations was a vast improvement over the loltaxes of pre-Crucible, the system really needs to automatically adjust over time to actual market prices. Naturally use long enough timescales and averages so your average little market manipulation doesn't affect taxes, but at least a quarterly tax modification is very much needed. And yeah, it should be automated :)
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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.04 12:26:00 -
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CCP Omen wrote:Thanks for your feedback! Keep it coming.
We are organizing a list of potential actions =)
Regards Omen
What is this?
You are CCP. You are supposed to roll out a new feature (POCOs) and then discard it and leave it unfinished for 3 years while you do more :awesome: features (all obviously released half-finished).
You are confusing me. I'm scared. |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.09 10:14:00 -
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Nyrak wrote: The second issue I noticed was how all these station fuels were going to stabilize into the eventual price per fuel block and wondered if I should push everything into that direction. Without the accessible means to gain these prints and make them perfect, in time I would loose ISK by waste of items. I understand the concept of the "haves" to the "haves not" and was not demanding any special treatment. But looking towards the future, I saw how it was going to be very difficult to keep pace in the play style I have been using (casual).
Be aware that you can buy pre-researched ME40 (perfect, no material loss) fuel block prints from contracts - there are people in EVE who have the spare research slots and do business in producing researched blueprint originals. For any small time production it is rarely cost-effective to do your own blueprint research (station slots are always full and research POS running costs are considerable if all you are looking to do is to research a few blueprints)
Perfectly researched fuel block BPO is about 15-25 million ISK (depends a bit on the day as to what the cheapest are going for, but usually under 20 mil) compared to bit under 10 million for unreseached one, this is a fairly small cost to pay in order to be able to produce POS fuel blocks and it is one-time investment which can be re-sold back to someone else via contracts if you no longer want to build fuel blocks. And yes, it could be a good market to be in if you already produce all the PI components - just buy the ice components off the market and manufacture blocks at some station. It will be a high volume market come 24th of January. It won't have massive margins (if blocks cost a lot more than components, POS runners just keep buying fuel components and manufacture the blocks themselves) but it is a way to sell your PI as a more refined finished good.
You would have to set up some spreadsheets and do the math carefully tho - the market is bound to be choppy early on and you wouldn't want to sell blocks below the cost of the materials required to produce them.
You could even go one stop further and train ice refining skills and get suitable hauling capacity and instead of buying isotopes, heavy water and liquid ozone, you could go and buy unrefined ice from ice miners. Then refine, add PI products, produce blocks...
Plenty of ways to do industrial operations in EVE, you just have to think a bit as to what to do yourself, what to "outsource" (buy on the market/contracts) and how to ensure that the final stuff you offload to the market leaves something "under the line" for your troubles.
Oh and a little tip; If you are unable to keep up with 0,01 ISK games, consider selling the finished product at a less traveled market hub. While Jita has by far the greatest trade volume, it also has many dedicated station traders that do nothing but fight 0,01 ISK games all day selling products that they bought using cheaper buy orders. While you may hate them when you are selling something on a sell order, they are also very nice to have whenever you are buying something off a sell order - without constant market price wars, prices you pay would be higher.
Heck, as a mass producer I usually just use the buy order price to determine profitability - meaning that I won't even consider manufacturing something unless I can just sell the finished goods to standing buy orders at a profit. That way I can completely ignore the 0,01 ISK games and just sell. The time saved can be used for something more productive.
(...and if what you are making isn't making a profit at all unless you use sell order and fight 0,01 ISK games, may I suggest that what you are making is offering too low profit margin and it may be time to look at something else...)
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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
180
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Posted - 2012.01.09 10:34:00 -
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If "small pos is unaffordable" you are not using the POS for anything productive.
Personally I more than cover the fuel bill of one small POS entirely through blueprint research and copying. Small POS costing about 90 mil to run per 30 days, a single battlecruiser blueprint being copied for BPCs (taking one copyslot of one laboratory) covers that much... granted, you first have to invest in a BPO and research it, but beyond that, it is fairly little effort to make ISK out of POS ownership.
Now if your POS is just a toy floating in space and it isn't doing anything that produces ISK, yeah, it is a drain on your wallet. Why keep such a POS around?
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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
180
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Posted - 2012.01.09 13:50:00 -
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Indeed. In the lowsec systems that I use (for other purposes) all POCOs are still Interbus. This is a downer for me as I could do some small time PI on the side but not at 17% tax rate (so I do it at my highsec "home" system under CONCORD 10% tax). Not doing enough PI to care about replacing the POCOs myself (too much effort and too much ISK required) or to travel to other systems where I otherwise have no productive business going on.
But hey, if someone else did replace them and allow usage at a competitive tax rate, I'd probably shift my PI stuff over to those lowsec systems that I constantly visit anyway for other purposes. "Competitive rate" in this case would be 10% or below. I might even pay 11-12% if I get some kind of "spacehonour word" from the POCO owner that the rate is going to stay put and the POCO is being defended so I don't end up with bunch of PI structures on a planet with no POCO (or with a POCO set at ripoff tax rate). I would have no problem paying all that export tax to the owner of the POCO. FREE ISK PRINTER! Look! Here!
I say there is plenty of market available for "POCO landlords" in lowsec. The biggest hurdle is probably to find some way to set it all up and advertise it to potential PI "bears" without attracting the attention of a Bigger Fish that might drop some caps to blow up the POCOs for "teh lulz".
I guess at this point the only practical way is to just set up some POCOs, do some own PI (at 0% rate for yourself, naturally) and set up a competitive tax rate for others and see if the "PI bear honeypot" brings people to the planets with your POCOs. It also helps if you don't try to shoot their haulers...
Perhaps EVE needs some kind of "search for POCOs by tax rate" style in-game way to browse and search planetary infrastructure in the region / in the universe. A way to set up infrastructure for others to use without making forum posts or other "noise" that might attract evil people. Naturally this is something someone could do by setting up a web service or something where people can post their "available for public" lowsec POCOs with tax rates etc. |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.09 15:27:00 -
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Celgar Thurn wrote: We were deceived initially by CCP into thinking the tax was going to be doubled. If it had been openly explained at the offset that tax would be increased by hundreds of percent as they have been that would have been more honest.
This was CCP fail - they didn't realize that their initial plans would mean practical tax that was something like 1% - not worth setting up POCOs. So they at the last minute revised the taxable value of PI goods (while still doubling the taxes) and that caused bit of a double-whammy. It was unavoidable and needed - without it nobody would build POCOs as the benefit over the "17% interbus tax" would be in reality less than 2%.
Quote: Also the current PI tax in high-sec will prevent new pilots in New Eden from getting involved in Planetary Interaction while they stay in high sec to learn the game.
Nope. PI is still profitable even with the taxes. Do the math. In EVE you cannot avoid doing the math. Google Docs spreadsheets for the win.
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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.01.10 13:53:00 -
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Esunisen wrote:ILeone wrote:And to the poster above, our 3 man corp takes down CO's in around an 90 mins with 3 x T3 battlecruisers with t2 blasters. I can't do this, i don't have skills for any T2 large gun. Can't fly a thanatos either.
It is true that Tech 2 guns and carriers have better DPS than Tech 1 noob thingys. You do know that you can fix this with the skill queue and some time, right?
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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.10 18:25:00 -
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Hmm, I do agree that it may be that Interbus thingies could be more fragile while player deployed POCOs could take bit more beating?
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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.13 09:38:00 -
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No La wrote:Scrapyard Bob wrote:Good change to the storage PIN, lowering its PG cost too by about 1/3 or even 1/2 would still be needed to bring it in line with its purpose as "better storage then the LP". And decreasing th Interbus HP I would also like to see more usage of P4 materials. There just isn't enough demand for P4's.
So extend your manufacturing chain; manufacture items that use P4s and sell them? |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.14 11:42:00 -
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I wouldn't be too shocked if CCP plan is to use P4s for Dust-related stuff. Planets need to be valuable to be cared about (currently they are not) and one way could be to make P4s very much in demand. Well, that and otherwise modify PI in some way that causes you to care on which planet you do PI (customs offices are, I guess, a start)
However, risk is that such changes could drive up POS running costs to the moon unless a lot of tweaks are made. Possible, but this being CCP I'm always bit wary of anything like this.
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